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How society views drug addicts
Topic Started: 8 May 2012, 07:41 AM (5,217 Views)
Nemesis	8 May 2012, 07:41 AM Post #1
Internet Zombie Posts: 7,805 Group: God Member #653 Joined: 28-Jul 2011	It's quite a nice debate. I don't agree with everything and I don't want this to be a debate about the legalization of drugs, because we had them already, but a debate about how drug addicts should be viewed and treated by society. GO! Edited by Nemesis, 8 May 2012, 07:55 AM.



PoodieCore	8 May 2012, 08:15 AM Post #2
German douche Posts: 3,294 Group: Old Grumpy Nazi Member #705 Joined: 3-Aug 2011	I changed my opinion that everything can be decriminalized. However, sociatal perception should depend on the drug addiction. I have a lot more compassion for drinkers and heroin junkies than for snobby heavy cocaine sniffers. Cocaine is the drug for arrogant and egoistical douchebags who need an artificial self-esteem boost, while other shit are drugs for miserable fucks who often need something for distraction from their misery. I'm in favor of helping miserable fucks, but I see no need to help a heavy douchy rich cocaine sniffer. He mostly can pull himself out of his misery. And if not, fuck him. Rich cocaine addicts should be ridiculed and mocked in public. A cocaine addiction totally discredits someone in my opinion. Taking cocaine from time to time, be my fucking guest. But every fucking day, is just a sign that you are an asshole. Sure I'm generalizing, but cocaine just happens to be the drug of wealthy douchebags most of the time who need this substance to feel like that they are the greatest fuckers on Earth. Junkies and drinkers are often sick, while cocaine addicts are mostly just pathetic.
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Nemesis	8 May 2012, 08:20 AM Post #3
Internet Zombie Posts: 7,805 Group: God Member #653 Joined: 28-Jul 2011	PoodieCore 8 May 2012, 08:15 AM I changed my opinion that everything can be decriminalized. So what is your opinion now? Also, shouldn't the rich people that use cocaine be helped if they ask for help? And: stop being a moralist douche and overusing stereotypes. Edited by Nemesis, 8 May 2012, 08:23 AM.



PoodieCore	8 May 2012, 08:36 AM Post #4
German douche Posts: 3,294 Group: Old Grumpy Nazi Member #705 Joined: 3-Aug 2011	Nemesis 8 May 2012, 08:20 AM So what is your opinion now? People take drugs no matter what. It can be done like you get a license from a doctor and then you can legally purchase whatever you want. People with already existing mental issues or people who have important responsibilities (job, family, etc.), should not be allowed to buy hard drugs. They could become potentially dangerous for society. Also hard drugs should be heavily regulated. The places where you can buy that shit should be closely monitored by the state. And the drugs should not contain rat poison or some shit. Nem Also, shouldn't the rich people that use cocaine be helped if they ask for help? It is just the general nature of this drug cocaine. And cocaine is nowadays expensive. Therefore only really rich people can afford a decent addiction. Perhaps that could change, when you would legalize it. Still I cannot help to feel disgusted by cocaine addicts due to this artifical self-esteem boost crap. It is just pathetic.
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Taelôk	8 May 2012, 08:40 AM Post #5
Chess Noob Posts: 1,477 Group: Coffee addict Member #1,587 Joined: 2-Oct 2011	I think it's kind of obvious that drug addiction is symptomatic of a wider problem in society rather than anything to do with drugs in of themselves. No one wakes up one moring and decides to become a drug addict, so to treat them as criminals does not help the situation as there is less incentive to seek help due to your "automatic criminality." Certainly there are individuals who are just outright pathetic, but that's irrelevant. What we need to do is accept that drugs are attractive to people (and they always will be) and work it into the system that there will always will be a certain amout of addicts in any given society. What we need to do is address what it actually is that causes people to take these things in the first place and then perhaps attempt to change the culture to be less incentivising towards taking drugs as a matter of course. Outside of that, it was an interesting video. A little repetitive in his peddling, but nothing too cringe worthy. Edited by Taelôk, 8 May 2012, 08:44 AM.
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trickyricky	8 May 2012, 09:51 AM Post #6
Posts: 136 Group: Members Member #2,700 Joined: 30-Apr 2012	There does need to be at least some regulation on hard drugs like smack and coke even though I think they should be legal. We should treat these drugs like we do alcohol. People can use them all they want as long as they are responsible with them. Also if somebody has depression or other mental problems we should try to get them help instead of just letting them destroy themselves with drugs. But if a person is in the right state of mind and has no family to take care of they should be able to do all the drugs they want to.



Nemesis	8 May 2012, 09:56 AM Post #7
Internet Zombie Posts: 7,805 Group: God Member #653 Joined: 28-Jul 2011	I see no reason why, if drugs are legal, someone that bought drugs that were not of the quality he desired couldn't sew the fuck out his dealer.



JeffroTheMan	8 May 2012, 12:37 PM Post #8
Posts: 910 Group: Members Member #355 Joined: 20-Jul 2011	Quote: Taking cocaine from time to time, be my fucking guest. But every fucking day, is just a sign that you are an asshole. Why? Just because it's expensive? C'mon. If you went around hating everyone who had any expensive habit, you'd loathe guitarists of any kind. Quote: Sure I'm generalizing, but cocaine just happens to be the drug of wealthy douchebags... Which, naturally, makes generalizing completely okay. I don't care if you're an addict if you're managing your own life and not adversely affecting others- if you're missing your share of rent for it and your roommates have to pick up the slack, that's reprehensible. Frankly, I think drugs are a primarily good thing in moderation. Marijuana has been shown to enhance creative thinking through loose associations. Mushrooms solidify one's belief in the fallibility of the senses. Cocaine, the one time I've done it, is just plain old fucking fun. It's the people with no willpower or perspective on what they're doing that get addicted and by proxy give drugs a bad name.
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PoodieCore	8 May 2012, 12:51 PM Post #9
German douche Posts: 3,294 Group: Old Grumpy Nazi Member #705 Joined: 3-Aug 2011	JeffroTheMan 8 May 2012, 12:37 PM Why? Just because it's expensive? C'mon. If you went around hating everyone who had any expensive habit, you'd loathe guitarists of any kind. Do I have to like pathetic people who artifically increase their self-esteem on a regular basis with the aid of a drug? No I don't have to. My major problem with cocaine addiction is the effect that these pathetic asshole are addicted to. Wasting a lot of money on shit simply to delude yourself into thinking you are the greatest, makes you an asshole. Period.
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Nemesis	8 May 2012, 12:53 PM Post #10
Internet Zombie Posts: 7,805 Group: God Member #653 Joined: 28-Jul 2011	JeffroTheMan 8 May 2012, 12:37 PM or perspective on what they're doing that get addicted and by proxy give drugs a bad name. So, you give drugs a bad name? PoodieCore 8 May 2012, 12:51 PM JeffroTheMan 8 May 2012, 12:37 PM Why? Just because it's expensive? C'mon. If you went around hating everyone who had any expensive habit, you'd loathe guitarists of any kind. Do I have to like pathetic people who artifically increase their self-esteem on a regular basis with the aid of a drug? No I don't have to. My major problem with cocaine addiction is the effect that these pathetic asshole are addicted to. Wasting a lot of money on shit simply to delude yourself into thinking you are the greatest, makes you an asshole. Period. So what? It's their lives. It's their money. Live and let live! Edited by Nemesis, 8 May 2012, 12:54 PM.



JeffroTheMan	8 May 2012, 01:08 PM Post #11
Posts: 910 Group: Members Member #355 Joined: 20-Jul 2011	Coke never made me feel like I was the greatest of anything, just really good and happy for a few hours. Point being, I don't think it's safe to generalize about what psychological motivations lead people to drugs. It's highly individualized, even among rich people. Edited by JeffroTheMan, 8 May 2012, 01:10 PM.
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PoodieCore	8 May 2012, 01:13 PM Post #12
German douche Posts: 3,294 Group: Old Grumpy Nazi Member #705 Joined: 3-Aug 2011	Nemesis 8 May 2012, 12:53 PM So what? It's their lives. It's their money. Live and let live! Yes and that's why I do not give a shit about a cocaine addict. Be an asshole, if you wish but nobody should fucking respect you, help you or even take you seriously. You are just a rich pathetic scumbag. Another point: it is often talked about the detterrent effect of drug laws. Well I think, if it would be legal, drug usage will not increase. It is more likely to decrease in the long run (of course under the premise that you have to obtain a license for it). Here are the reasons why: - it looses its appeal once it is legal. Forbiden fruit... - the public would be better informed about drugs and their dangers - companies would not hire obvious drug addicts. They either fear a lowered job performance or they fear bad PR. It kinda looks shitty, when your company employs a shitload of junkies. Also companies can openly discriminate drug users and they do so quite often already nowadays. Just look at smoking. Smokers can openly be discriminated and nobody has a problem with it (even I as smoker). There are a lot less smokers nowadays, because smoking has a really bad reputation. The same would sure as hell apply for hard drugs. It would make you a social outcast. Nobody would want to hire you and most people would not want to befriend you. I lived in Holland for three years. Over there, less people smoke pot as percentage of the population compared to Germany, Spain or France. Why? Because most people there regard heavy dope smokers as pathetic losers.
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Nemesis	8 May 2012, 01:22 PM Post #13
Internet Zombie Posts: 7,805 Group: God Member #653 Joined: 28-Jul 2011	PoodieCore 8 May 2012, 01:13 PM Nemesis 8 May 2012, 12:53 PM So what? It's their lives. It's their money. Live and let live! Yes and that's why I do not give a shit about a cocaine addict. Be an asshole, if you wish but nobody should fucking respect you, help you or even take you seriously. You are just a rich pathetic scumbag. Just because you don't like them?



Yar	8 May 2012, 01:33 PM Post #14
Posts: 0 Group: Members Member #2,072 Joined: 15-Nov 2011	Fuck, again with that "crime under the influence" crap!!! Addicts commit crimes not because they took drugs and became crazy, they mug and steal because they need the money, as any person desperate enough would do, and the "influence" is usually the remains of their last high, because a heroin addict needs to constantly have some of the stuff in his blood. This is a classical logical flaw, taking two factors which happen to have place at the same time coincidentally and connect them to one another! Edited by Yar, 8 May 2012, 01:36 PM.



Nemesis	8 May 2012, 01:38 PM Post #15
Internet Zombie Posts: 7,805 Group: God Member #653 Joined: 28-Jul 2011	Yar 8 May 2012, 01:33 PM Fuck, again with that "crime under the influence" crap!!! Addicts commit crimes not because they took drugs and became crazy, they mug and steal because they need the money, as any person desperate enough would do, and the "influence" is usually the remains of their last high, because a heroin addict needs to constantly have some of the stuff in his blood. This is a classical logical flaw, taking two factors which happen to have place at the same time coincidentally and connect them to one another! Who made that fallacy?



Yar	8 May 2012, 01:43 PM Post #16
Posts: 0 Group: Members Member #2,072 Joined: 15-Nov 2011	Michael Something at 8:12 trickyricky 8 May 2012, 09:51 AM Also if somebody has depression or other mental problems we should try to get them help instead of just letting them destroy themselves with drugs. Yeah, that's the main problem, that's the root! If your leg is broken - even if you don't have any money, you can go to a free hospital and get a cask there. But where do you go if your heart is broken? The only free alternative is the priest, who's gonna tell you "There, there". A cheaper and much more effective method is booze. Shrinks cost much much more, so for the most people it's out of the question - besides, only fags go to psychiatrist, right? Edited by Yar, 8 May 2012, 01:50 PM.



PoodieCore	8 May 2012, 01:57 PM Post #17
German douche Posts: 3,294 Group: Old Grumpy Nazi Member #705 Joined: 3-Aug 2011	It is not a fallacy... People addicted to gambling, coffee, junk food or video games are a lot less likely to stab someone or prostitute themselves to satify their needs than a junkie. They are generally a lot less desperate. Drugs can more easily transform you into a pychopath than all the other shit you can be addicted to. Personality disorders due to heavy brain damage are a lot more common among junkies compared to World of Warcraft, gambling or junk food freaks. Sorry a broke junkie is potentially a lot more dangerous and it is not a fallacy to link his asocial behaviour to his addiction.That's why you should have free drugs for severe hopeless cases who are not able anymore to be productive members of society.
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Nemesis	8 May 2012, 01:57 PM Post #18
Internet Zombie Posts: 7,805 Group: God Member #653 Joined: 28-Jul 2011	Yar 8 May 2012, 01:43 PM Michael Something at 8:12 No drugs cause people to be violent? PoodieCore 8 May 2012, 01:57 PM That's why you should have free drugs for severe hopeless cases who are not able anymore to be productive members of society. lolwut? Edited by Nemesis, 8 May 2012, 01:58 PM.



PoodieCore	8 May 2012, 02:12 PM Post #19
German douche Posts: 3,294 Group: Old Grumpy Nazi Member #705 Joined: 3-Aug 2011	Nemesis 8 May 2012, 01:57 PM PoodieCore 8 May 2012, 01:57 PM That's why you should have free drugs for severe hopeless cases who are not able anymore to be productive members of society. lolwut? Imagine a dude who is a junkie for over 20 years, his brain is totally damaged, he cannot be cured from his addiction and he cannot work a normal job anymore. Isn't it wise to help this dude by giving him free drugs than risking that he steals or even kills to satisfy his addiction? There is such a minority of really dangerous junkies within the minority of junkies. These guys are really sick and we are not talking here about a bad personal choice anymore for which the junkie is responsible himself and society should not have to pay for him. These guys cannot help to be mentally insane and be potentially dangerous for everyone including themselves. Are you also against helping mentally insane? Should society not be "forced" to make sure that a lunatic does not walk down the street every day to throw his feces at people?
	Best forum quotes: 1080Poop Intellectually this thread is like discovering a vagina for the first time. You're fascinated by it but scared of it at the same time. The scent is alluring and sparks something inside of you that gets a reaction. You poke and prod at it in inquisitiveness. "Is it safe to put my dick in here?" You ask yourself.


Nemesis	8 May 2012, 02:18 PM Post #20
Internet Zombie Posts: 7,805 Group: God Member #653 Joined: 28-Jul 2011	PoodieCore 8 May 2012, 02:12 PM Nemesis 8 May 2012, 01:57 PM PoodieCore 8 May 2012, 01:57 PM That's why you should have free drugs for severe hopeless cases who are not able anymore to be productive members of society. lolwut? Imagine a dude who is a junkie for over 20 years, his brain is totally damaged, he cannot be cured from his addiction and he cannot work a normal job anymore. Isn't it wise to help this dude by giving him free drugs than risking that he steals or even kills to satisfy his addiction? There is such a minority of really dangerous junkies within the minority of junkies. These guys are really sick and we are not talking here about a bad personal choice anymore for which the junkie is responsible himself and society should not have to pay for him. These guys cannot help to be mentally insane and be potentially dangerous for everyone including themselves. Are you also against helping mentally insane? Should society not be "forced" to make sure that a lunatic does not walk down the street every day to throw his feces at people? Put them in an institution and cure their addiction. You idea creates an incentive for people that do drugs like heroin to continue to do it, since, if they do it for long enough, they'll get free heroin.



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