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| Would you vote for a Communist party instead of Mitt Romney?; So lets say good 'ol America had a Communist party that did not wish the normal Commie Dictator thing | |
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| Topic Started: 1 Jun 2012, 04:23 AM (1,359 Views) | |
| LordMaffew | 1 Jun 2012, 04:23 AM Post #1 |
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I have always been interested in the fact that America hates Communism so bad... but still gets all their cheap shit from china. But anyways if there was a Communistic party that wanted to lead the U.S without Dictatorship nor oppression and only wished for a Liberal America that had equality and if so what would you want them to do? |
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| salamutスタッフ | 1 Jun 2012, 04:32 AM Post #2 |
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Oh, somebody took my comment seriously. Fuck. |
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| Superpig | 1 Jun 2012, 04:34 AM Post #3 |
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Well, we still won't take your mumma seriously. |
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| PoodieCore | 1 Jun 2012, 05:00 AM Post #4 |
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Nationalizing the entire American economy, confiscating the entire private wealth of almost everyone and creating five year plans for the production of everything, would be a fucking desaster of epic proportions for America and hence the whole world. Apparently you have no fucking idea what communism means... Even without limiting freedom of speech or prosecuting the opposition, it would still mean striving for total economical equality and hence a centralized state command economy which is responsible for almost everything. The only way to implement these reforms would be by brutal force and opression. An ideological consistent communistic party would have nothing to do with being "liberal"... Besides China is anything but communistic in a traditional sense. It is a mixed economy entirely controlled by a corrupt and opressive elite of party officials and industrial tycoons. You have private, state and semi-private corporations as well as Chinese-foreign so-called joint ventures (in which the Chinese side has always the upper hand) there who produce all the cheap shit for export. Overall next time before creating a thread, inform yourself what communism is and what today's China actually is. And yes I would take Romney over any radical left-wing lunatic communist. |
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| Taelôk | 1 Jun 2012, 05:32 AM Post #5 |
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A non-dictatorial communistic state is kind of an oxymoron. besides, it has been quite established that communism dosen't work in any society beyond the tribal level. I'm not incredibly knowledgeable on how China works, but if it still holds pretense in being "communist" it's in name only.
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| LordMaffew | 1 Jun 2012, 05:47 AM Post #6 |
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Ohh i am very sorry... i do know what communism is i know china does not completely follow the Communist ideal... i am not a communist myself but i was checking if communism would be better than Mitt Romney.. and the communism parties are far left = Liberal... i live in Norway a socialist country and that is fine, but will not Mitt Romney cause economic destruction and fascism? |
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| salamutスタッフ | 1 Jun 2012, 05:58 AM Post #7 |
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Okay, despite that being an apt insult in context to some of his newer socially conservative comments, is not actually a fascist. Before you refer to an extreme ideology than you don't have to educate yourself on it really, read a wikipedia page on it. |
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| LordMaffew | 1 Jun 2012, 06:15 AM Post #8 |
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Well i know he is not actually Fascist... but he is not so far from fascism... i mean the mans first priorities are stopping fence jumpers and gays... |
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| salamutスタッフ | 1 Jun 2012, 06:34 AM Post #9 |
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Well I'll give you that he's closer to fascism than communists are but no, he's quite a way off fascism. Like even from a European political perspective, he's no where near fascism. In fact he's more of a thinly veiled social moderate whose economic ideals have been corrupted by special interests. |
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| PoodieCore | 1 Jun 2012, 06:58 AM Post #10 |
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Firstly communism and far left ideologies are not LIBERAL. Radical lefties would not accept any opposition if they would be in charge and they would have no problem to send people into gulags who are wealthy or simply disagree with them. Also homophobia was widespread in the former eastern bloc and gays were opressed, because it was seen as decadent bourgoise lifestyle choice that poisons society. Not to mention that communists think that religious freedom is bullshit. Practical communism is very much alike facism. It also demands that people conform to the collective and shut the fuck up. You mention Norway. Norway is a social market economy which has nothing to do with communism nor even socialism. In America people tend to label many European countries as socialist, while this is in fact bullshit. In Socialism the economy is mainly state owned. That is not the case with social market economies or social democracy. You just have a larger public sector and the private sector is heavily regulated. Still it is mainly a capitalistic system. And despite of Romney's bigoted rhetoric here and there, he is not Moussolini, Franco or even fucking Hitler. I think you are really trivializing the term fascism. |
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| Yar | 1 Jun 2012, 07:42 AM Post #11 |
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Yess, indeed communism is kinda oxymoronic. |
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| LordMaffew | 1 Jun 2012, 07:43 AM Post #12 |
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Just saying... The Labor party of Norway is a party Witch consists of the Socialist party and the Labor party it self... therefore making Norway sort of Socialist |
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| Nemesis | 1 Jun 2012, 08:59 AM Post #13 |
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@LordMaffew: learn basic political concepts before talking about politics, please. |
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| oscarstrok | 1 Jun 2012, 10:43 AM Post #14 |
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socialism =/= communism socialism is a broad and less radical part of the left wing. |
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| salamutスタッフ | 1 Jun 2012, 11:08 AM Post #15 |
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Socialism is broad but Communism is extremist socialism. Socialism ≠ Communism Communism = Socialism |
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| Triplock | 1 Jun 2012, 11:14 AM Post #16 |
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There are communist parties, and then there are communist systems... There's also a bit of a difference between striving for total equality and achieving it, as in the former; it never actually happens. Don't be one of those "highschool-politics-course" idiots, thinking communism as a isotope of only most radicaliest radical positions. Such a thing, at least how you describe it, never existed. Nor did the "ideologically consistent fascist/republican/green/turtle fucking" party. Following the narrative of the senile German scholar, and other ideology fetishists over there, The Pope also isn't really a christian, since he doesn't stone to death all of the shrimp eaters... Yes, for barring a coup, a party of big C, would still have to work within the confines of the law and compromise to pursue their interests. Edited by Triplock, 1 Jun 2012, 11:15 AM.
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| PoodieCore | 1 Jun 2012, 12:11 PM Post #17 |
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Okay Mr contrarian... Would even the most moderate communistic party allow to pass any legislation promoting free market principles, more entrepeneurship and more economical freedom? The answer is no. Would any communistic party try to undermine the economical foundation of America through nationalizing major economical sectors? The answer is yes. And bitch please don't counter with the "reforms in China and Vietnam" argument... Firstly Marxist or Trotzki fanboys in the West are known to be a lot less pragmatic and ideological stubborn and in China or Vietnam the establishment was forced to do something about the shitty status quo after they realized everything is fucked up. Secondly still existing communistic parties in the West use the same bullshit propaganda rhetoric everwhere. Blame the imperialists and the rich blabla... Thirdly fucking too strongly with the current economic model in America in favor of too much nationalization, would have really bad economical side effects. |
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| Triplock | 1 Jun 2012, 12:28 PM Post #18 |
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The fuck are you on about? Allow? Communists in the White House/senate/congress =/= Full Blown 50s style Communism in the US. Democrats are in majority now, are they disallowing all they don't condone, would they be able if they wanted to..? You poor dumb schmuck. |
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| oscarstrok | 1 Jun 2012, 01:43 PM Post #19 |
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| LordMaffew | 1 Jun 2012, 02:28 PM Post #20 |
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Well i might as well just ask the public another question... In Norway we have two terrible political parties witch are the "Norwegian Communist Party" and the "Christian people party" They are both the least popular parties in the country but if they where the most popular witch one would you have chosen? |
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