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Should suicide be condemned?
Topic Started: 21 Jun 2012, 06:28 AM (1,469 Views)
Slica111	21 Jun 2012, 06:28 AM Post #1
Posts: 9 Group: Members Member #2,843 Joined: 16-Jun 2012	I know many of you would think people are entitled to do as they please. But if you place it in a different light, it may seem different. Here is some hypothetical: Let us suppose I one day dropped a lot of acid, and suddenly though that if I was to die, I was going to be in some eternal rainbow (a better place). So I decide to blow my head off, and then one of you guys see me about to do this and you then think to yourselves, 'This fucker is out of his mind!', and you take the gun out of my hand. I know this is not exactly the most ideal hypothetical for the subject, but I'm not smart enough to think of a better one. But, it does carry the same context; I am not in my right frame of mind, and I'm about to make a mistake that can't be fixed again. This is pretty similar to sever depression, which is the main cause for suicide. So, if we don't place this stigma on suicide in society, then are we allowing people who are mentally sick to do something stupid? BTW, I'm not talking about the legality of suicide. I think suicide being illegal is fucking stupid, and there is no rationalising this law.



Nemesis	21 Jun 2012, 06:36 AM Post #2
Internet Zombie Posts: 7,946 Group: God Member #653 Joined: 28-Jul 2011	We aren't allowing people that are mentally sick to do that, because they aren't capable of making that decision. Same as how we don't let them drive, adopt, etc. Suicide, if you are sane, should be legal.



The Doctor	21 Jun 2012, 06:52 AM Post #3
Posts: 13 Group: Members Member #2,854 Joined: 20-Jun 2012	Nemesis is pretty much correct. Though if I saw someone about to commit suicide I would at least try to talk them out of it or save them if I could. So I would try to help the person in this case. But the idea of it being illegal is stupid. I mean what are they going to do if you do it? I mean suicidal people typically don't have anything to lose in their mind so there is nothing anyone can really do.



Taelôk	21 Jun 2012, 07:37 AM Post #4
Chess Noob Posts: 1,477 Group: Coffee addict Member #1,587 Joined: 2-Oct 2011	I've never heard of anyone being punished for attempted suicide. That said, it depends on the circumstances of each case. I don't care how douchey this may make me sound, but hell with it. Suicides that are done in a stable state of mind, are cowardly. I know I'm going to get hate but whatever. Edited by Taelôk, 21 Jun 2012, 07:38 AM.
	People who are unable to motivate themselves must be content with mediocrity, no matter how impressive their other talents. Andrew Carnegie My blog, dare ye click? Online meanderings and web-thought


Blargazaur	21 Jun 2012, 08:03 AM Post #5
Cephalopodan of Zion Posts: 638 Group: Common Jews Member #681 Joined: 31-Jul 2011	I think the punishment for suicide, even attempted suicide, should be death.



Nemesis	21 Jun 2012, 08:06 AM Post #6
Internet Zombie Posts: 7,946 Group: God Member #653 Joined: 28-Jul 2011	Taelôk 21 Jun 2012, 07:37 AM Suicides that are done in a stable state of mind, are cowardly. Most of them are, but not all. Suicide is OK when you are faced with an even worse alternative, like prolonged torture or deteriorating state of health that cannot be cured. Edited by Nemesis, 21 Jun 2012, 08:10 AM.



Taelôk	21 Jun 2012, 08:24 AM Post #7
Chess Noob Posts: 1,477 Group: Coffee addict Member #1,587 Joined: 2-Oct 2011	Nemesis 21 Jun 2012, 08:06 AM Taelôk 21 Jun 2012, 07:37 AM Suicides that are done in a stable state of mind, are cowardly. Most of them are, but not all. Suicide is OK when you are faced with an even worse alternative, like prolonged torture or deteriorating state of health that cannot be cured. Me That said, it depends on the circumstances of each case I did not mean to have my statement taken as the be all end all. Edited by Taelôk, 21 Jun 2012, 08:25 AM.
	People who are unable to motivate themselves must be content with mediocrity, no matter how impressive their other talents. Andrew Carnegie My blog, dare ye click? Online meanderings and web-thought


Nemesis	21 Jun 2012, 08:33 AM Post #8
Internet Zombie Posts: 7,946 Group: God Member #653 Joined: 28-Jul 2011	Taelôk 21 Jun 2012, 07:37 AM I've never heard of anyone being punished for attempted suicide. That said, it depends on the circumstances of each case. I don't care how douchey this may make me sound, but hell with it. Suicides that are done in a stable state of mind, are cowardly. In that context, the sentence "That said, it depends on the circumstances of each case." refers to "anyone being punished for attempted suicide", because of the "that said" part.



Taelôk	21 Jun 2012, 08:40 AM Post #9
Chess Noob Posts: 1,477 Group: Coffee addict Member #1,587 Joined: 2-Oct 2011	Nemesis In that context, the sentence "That said, it depends on the circumstances of each case." refers to "anyone being punished for attempted suicide", because of the "that said" part. Ah I see what I've done, that was just bad phrasing on my part. Regardless, perhaps it's the remnants of catholicism still in me, but I nonethelsss stand by my stance on the matter. Edited by Taelôk, 21 Jun 2012, 08:41 AM.
	People who are unable to motivate themselves must be content with mediocrity, no matter how impressive their other talents. Andrew Carnegie My blog, dare ye click? Online meanderings and web-thought


Triplock	21 Jun 2012, 10:39 AM Post #10
Posts: 0 Group: Members Member #1,309 Joined: 19-Sep 2011	Quote: Suicide, if you are sane, should be legal.* Except that mental health councilors tend to inconveniently consider desire to end it all, a sign of person's insanity. You've used up a lot of words there, and said nothing at all. Anyhoo, it's a decision like any other, some may weight the pros and cons, some may do it 'cause their teenage heartthrob broke their heart, same may do it for stupid, silly and retarded reasons, while some may not... You might as well ask; "Should getting married, or a getting a tattoo be condemned?" Perhaps..? *By the way, congratz for talking about the legality of suicide, which is both retarded and something the OP had specifically said he ain't talking about.



salamutスタッフ	21 Jun 2012, 10:51 AM Post #11
فقط الحفاظ على الابتسام Posts: 3,628 Group: Don't call me Autist Member #724 Joined: 7-Aug 2011	Discouraged, not condemned.
	Toast 16 Feb 2012, 06:13 AM What the fuck is that shit, man? Are you going to provide anything relevant about reality besides posting nonsense about an elaborate hoax?


Slica111	22 Jun 2012, 05:56 PM Post #12
Posts: 9 Group: Members Member #2,843 Joined: 16-Jun 2012	I've thought about this, I still can't think how suicide is a sane action... You gain nothing, but instead lose EVERYTHING. Can someone please tell me where the sanity exists in suicide?



Aptar	22 Jun 2012, 06:52 PM Post #13
Posts: 221 Group: Members Member #385 Joined: 20-Jul 2011	I just recently wrote an essay on assisted suicide. I used to be against suicide completely but after doing a little research on the issue I feel that suicide under CERTAIN circumstances is fine. If you want to commit suicide because of a temporary problem(like certain mental illness, personal life issues etc.) then of course its not okay. But lets just hypothesize that you in the future get cancer, its terminal and you are going to die. Would you want to suffer through it, make your family watch you be miserable, and at the same time suffer themselves? OR would you take the alternative route and die peacefully on your own terms surrounded by your loved ones? For me the obvious answer is to take your life into your own hands, but some might not agree. In sort: under certain circumstances suicide is fine, in others it is most definitely not. I believe its a basic human right to decide whether you want to live or not(if you are in a good mental state of mind.)



Superpig	22 Jun 2012, 06:53 PM Post #14
Super Pig Posts: 1,401 Group: Elite Members Member #2,437 Joined: 1-Feb 2012	Slica111 22 Jun 2012, 05:56 PM I've thought about this, I still can't think how suicide is a sane action... You gain nothing, but instead lose EVERYTHING. Can someone please tell me where the sanity exists in suicide? If you are going to suffer horribly and then die, I think you gain relief from that pain.



BadHouses	22 Jun 2012, 09:34 PM Post #15
Posts: 758 Group: Lalalandian Member #1,231 Joined: 13-Sep 2011	I think it should be discouraged because finding dead loved ones sucks.
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~~Word Sorcerer~~	22 Jun 2012, 10:20 PM Post #16
Posts: 0 Group: Banned Member #2,201 Joined: 10-Dec 2011	He never thought he was good enough for her, so he journeyed far and wide, through the forests, valleys and plains, across the rivers and oceans, over the mountains and gorges until he unlocked the truth in his heart and discovered the wisdom in his mind's eye, but she still took him for a fool, and with that his world crumbled before him thus allowing the hatred to seep into his heart which scattered the knowledge of true love throughout the lands, for if he couldn't have her in the physical, no one should. Nowadays, human beings wonder the Earth mending together the pieces of his heart, some human beings fall victim to the fear and sorrow and see no way out but to throw it all away, while others thankfully sacrifice themselves for a lost cause or destroy themselves through sensuous means, but in the end they all complete this heart of mine and what it means to be human. I love you, but you gotta keep it real, man. Edited by Word Sorcerer, 22 Jun 2012, 10:22 PM.
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Superpig	22 Jun 2012, 10:22 PM Post #17
Super Pig Posts: 1,401 Group: Elite Members Member #2,437 Joined: 1-Feb 2012	BadHouses 22 Jun 2012, 09:34 PM I think it should be discouraged because finding dead loved ones sucks. You can inform them of your choice, that still sucks but Spoiler: click to toggle Your mumma is used to sucking so it won't be a problem



Triplock	22 Jun 2012, 10:44 PM Post #18
Posts: 0 Group: Members Member #1,309 Joined: 19-Sep 2011	Slica111 22 Jun 2012, 05:56 PM I've thought about this, I still can't think how suicide is a sane action... You gain nothing, but instead lose EVERYTHING. Can someone please tell me where the sanity exists in suicide? When all the options suck, you choose the one you know you won't regret... Can you please explain to me, how that is fundamentally insane? You loose everything, if you take it for granted life has some inherent value... is more than what you make of it... which is what suicides take an issue with. Edited by Triplock*, 22 Jun 2012, 10:50 PM.



Slica111	23 Jun 2012, 02:09 AM Post #19
Posts: 9 Group: Members Member #2,843 Joined: 16-Jun 2012	Triplock 22 Jun 2012, 10:44 PM Slica111 22 Jun 2012, 05:56 PM I've thought about this, I still can't think how suicide is a sane action... You gain nothing, but instead lose EVERYTHING. Can someone please tell me where the sanity exists in suicide? When all the options suck, you choose the one you know you won't regret... Can you please explain to me, how that is fundamentally insane? *You loose everything, if you take it for granted life has some inherent value... is more than what you make of it... which is what suicides take an issue with. Besides The Kevorkian method, of putting suffering (physically) people to rest, I don't see how anyone can not be insane and opt for suicide. It just baffles me, it's like wrist cutting, anorexia and w/e who do a lot less harm, would be rendered nothing but 'icky' habbits



Superpig	23 Jun 2012, 03:32 AM Post #20
Super Pig Posts: 1,401 Group: Elite Members Member #2,437 Joined: 1-Feb 2012	Slica111 Besides The Kevorkian method, of putting suffering (physically) people to rest, I don't see how anyone can not be insane and opt for suicide. It just baffles me, it's like wrist cutting, anorexia and w/e who do a lot less harm, would be rendered nothing but 'icky' habbits Nemesis Suicide is OK when you are faced with an even worse alternative, like prolonged torture or deteriorating state of health that cannot be cured.



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