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| Topic Started: 5 Jul 2012, 05:39 AM (550 Views) | |
| BrainBlow | 5 Jul 2012, 05:39 AM Post #1 |
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The Culture high. So yeah, this could become a thing. All of my moneyz. Now all of your moneyz too. Edited by BrainBlow, 5 Jul 2012, 05:40 AM.
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| salamutスタッフ | 5 Jul 2012, 06:21 AM Post #2 |
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I might give a couple of dollars... ...oh wait, I'm a student. |
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| Yar | 5 Jul 2012, 09:41 AM Post #3 |
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If the footage is already shot, why only $190'000 would suite them? What, if they don't raise money they'll burn the disks and tapes and just say 'oh well, we've warned you' - are they holding the movie hostage? |
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| BrainBlow | 5 Jul 2012, 10:44 AM Post #4 |
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Because the film hasn't actually been made yet. Whatever they already have is just scraps and pieces that aren't worth much without the rest of the movie being made. The prequel. Edited by BrainBlow, 5 Jul 2012, 10:49 AM.
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| Yar | 5 Jul 2012, 01:25 PM Post #5 |
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Oh, so they don't even have the movie yet, but they already know for sure that it'll change the world. Even though they don't even have anything but scraps and bits. And they want two hundred k's to be invested into this sand castle. Sounds like a great business plan, where do I throw cash at? |
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| Nemesis | 5 Jul 2012, 01:33 PM Post #6 |
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| Blargazaur | 5 Jul 2012, 01:44 PM Post #7 |
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Throw the cash here. Who says it's going to change the world? Did you even bother to read the Kickstarter page before trying to argue against it? |
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| Nemesis | 5 Jul 2012, 01:49 PM Post #8 |
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This is the dumbest project I have ever seen. The people that are pre-buying the DVD are already educated on the subject. There are tons of documentaries, YouTube videos, studies, articles, news reports, seminars, brochures about how weed is cute. 99% of them are less expensive and I don't really think this is worth the investment. Also, nowadays the world is understanding more and more that weed is OK. You don't need expensive documentaries to advertise this, ffs. We already have the evidence and the arguments, we just have to distribute them (via links and flyers and protests and stuff) and convince people. Edited by Nemesis, 5 Jul 2012, 01:51 PM.
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| Yar | 5 Jul 2012, 02:16 PM Post #9 |
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yeah, it will EDUCATE the world, not CHANGE the world, the difference in this context is almost diametrical |
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| Ardat | 5 Jul 2012, 02:25 PM Post #10 |
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Useless documentary that's not gonna do more than what could be done through already available means. Plus, after Kony, I'd expect people to be more careful about this sort of shit. I actually spotted two "Kony 2012" posters in my University today, and proceeded on removing them. |
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| JeffroTheMan | 5 Jul 2012, 03:12 PM Post #11 |
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I'd rather see this get to its 25k goal so they can get more info and stuff into the final product.
Edited by JeffroTheMan, 5 Jul 2012, 03:12 PM.
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| lonellystemcell | 5 Jul 2012, 03:31 PM Post #12 |
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You don't need a 100,000 bucks to tell people that pot should be legal. |
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| BrainBlow | 6 Jul 2012, 07:18 AM Post #13 |
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Uh, this documentary is part of this change in public awareness. This is part of it all. What are you even trying to argue? They shouldn't help roll the snowball of public awareness because other people do it? As we are all quite aware, despite "having all the evidence and studies" doesn't really matter if that is not the mainstream view. Most Americans still do not believe in evolution, even though it's an incontestable fact. Hell, the number of people believing in Evolution is even shrinking several places in the US. Most Americans still believe pot should be illegal, and/or that it is a life-threatening drug. Documentaries like this, that will be shown in the theaters no less and get shown on television even, help change that. That there's some youtube videos and links out there really doesn't matter as people with anti-drug positions rarely dig into those anyways. (and your position then just becomes kinda strange, considering how their previous documentary is one of the more popular ones already being cited in debates online) And yes, there's Youtube videos. They put their previous documentary on youtube, just like that.
Yes, you need it to be able to show as many people as possible. There's a difference between me making some pro-weed blog, and a high(heh)-quality documentary being shown in theaters and television.
Yeah I mean it's not like their previous documentary was so successful that it was shown to the Canadian parliament to educate on the subject or anything. Being screened in theaters is something already common for these documentaries? And in case people underestimate how effective these things can be: Remember prop 19? Public opinion in California flipped in the last minute against it after a bunch of anti-drug ads straight out lied to people about what prop 19 meant. That managed to flip the public opinion enough. Edited by BrainBlow, 6 Jul 2012, 07:20 AM.
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| Yar | 6 Jul 2012, 07:45 AM Post #14 |
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Pot has become a trend.        You have a whole sector of pot-themed business: growing equipment, gardening tools, specialized fertilizers, clipping machines, smoking devices, t-shirts, souvenirs, and - yes, movies. This being one of them, is simply exploiting this whole cannabis theme in order to make money. Although the sum is laughably small - I think they're counting on collecting more then 200'000 and then flee with money bags. Edited by Yar, 6 Jul 2012, 07:51 AM.
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| Chocoberry | 6 Jul 2012, 09:00 AM Post #15 |
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Yes, the war on drugs is bullshit. Yes pot isn't a deadly substance. Yes people should be able to distinguish between heroin and weed. All that money though? Is there nothing better they could be raising money for other than to tell people "hey guise weed is not dangerous brah it's aweshum and should be legal so we can all get high and live life and love peace yah mean". And to be honest, I don't see how throwing money at a film aimed at educating the masses about weed will have much affect. How many documentaries and specials have been made that explain evolution? That debunk the creation theory? People are fucking idiots. You can't reverse an entire culture of anti-enlightenment with one film. "But that's not the point", I hear you say. Well then what is the point? To blow $$$$ on a documentary that will use information already accessible to the public? To be honest I'm sick of the weed culture. Weed is not amazing. Yeah it should be legal but I can think of issues that are more pressing and more desserving of people's time and money than a documentary about boring ass fucking weed. Edited by Chocoberry, 6 Jul 2012, 09:02 AM.
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| BrainBlow | 6 Jul 2012, 12:00 PM Post #16 |
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Jeez, have you even seen the previous documentary? It would seem you very much have not. |
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| Chocoberry | 6 Jul 2012, 01:00 PM Post #17 |
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You don't need to see the first documentary to know what this is about, but that's not even the point. One documentary worth 200 grand isn't going to effect much change. Even if it were to hit mainstream theatres, people who are anti-drugs will see the film as pro-drug propaganda and shrug it off. Raising awareness os great and all, what I'm saying is you don't need 200 grand to achieve this and 'throwing money' at these film makers isn't worth it. I don't disagree that the war on drugs is bullshit like I said above. But this whole 'we musy legalize weed now!' hype is fucking everywhere and it's annoying as shit. Weed isn't even that great honestly. Why not make a documentary about America's fall from reason instead which is a better topic and more relevant anyway (and also covers the war on drugs issue). Fuck weed, it's overrated. I was chronic for a year and smoked casually on and off for 3 or so. But I can see it for what it is. A mind killing, time wasting useless fucking venture. |
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| BrainBlow | 6 Jul 2012, 02:30 PM Post #18 |
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No, I'm talking about how you frame this as some stereotypical "weed culture" thing just to smear it.
That was enough to convince me. I'm sure a documentary that presents all the numbers and scientists and the history won't convince anyone. Edited by BrainBlow, 6 Jul 2012, 02:30 PM.
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| PoodieCore | 6 Jul 2012, 02:54 PM Post #19 |
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I actually oppose any project in which the actual end consumer (who does not get any money in the end...) has to fund this shit to begin with regardless of what kind of shit it may be. Therefore I was also against the way TJ raised money for Not Productive. Sorry that are just untrustworthy business practices. If you cannot raise enough money to start, then don't beg for money without offering some kind of prospect for profit for the investor. Seriously, if you are GOOD at what you are you doing and people can expect a decent RETURN ON INVESTMENT, people will invest in your project. If you cannot do this, then you should forget the idea and move on. This is not some sort of charity bullshit or important campaign to raise public awareness, this is mainly a commercial project. Therefore fuck this project, fuck the morons who are behind it and fuck the morons who are dumb enough to donate for it. |
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| Chocoberry | 6 Jul 2012, 03:08 PM Post #20 |
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Brainblow a documentary could do this for some people sure, but the fuck is it going to start a cultural revolution. The numbers and scientists and history surrounding the war on drugs is already fucking there for people if they do a simple google search. Or read a fucking book. One documentary is not going to change shit in the grand scheme of things. How many times has a documentary been made with these intentions already? Want me to list them? And want me to show how these documentaries loaded with fact and unbiased report managed to reach a small audience and affect hardly any change or change societal perceptions on the issue as a whole? Yes I am sick of the pro-weed movement, not because it isn't a semi-important issue and not because I dislike people who use it. It's fucking old news. People's perceptions of weed and the legalisation thereof are already changing without this ridiculously overfunded documentary. |
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