One dimensional bashing Mohammed does not equal constructive criticism of Islam

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One dimensional bashing Mohammed does not equal constructive criticism of Islam
Topic Started: 17 Sep 2012, 04:52 AM (1,030 Views)
PoodieCore	17 Sep 2012, 04:52 AM Post #1
German douche Posts: 3,321 Group: Old Grumpy Nazi Member #705 Joined: 3-Aug 2011	Before anyone accuses me here of being a secrete Muslim and a terrorist apologist, I’m totally pro free speech and what these morons did in Lybia is just disgusting. However, I find it laughable that people even among famous atheists (Sam Harris for example) think that this shitty movie is an accurate portrayal of the prophet Mohammed. If you have seen the trailer “Innocence of Muslims”, you clearly can see that the producers of this shitty flick just wanted to provoke by portraying Mohammed solely as kidder fucker, genocidal maniac, charlatan and horny bastard. When judging the life of Mohammed, you have to consider the entire context of the political landscape of his time, the environment in which he lived and what he actually accomplished. The fact is that Mohammed lived in a desert shithole inhabited by primitive illiterate barbarians. Being a kiddy fucker, being a sexist, being a polygamist and achieving political goals with violence, was the norm in Arabia in his time. Actually Mohammed was an influential social reformer. He started an entire civilization and shortly after his death the Islamic world became the most advanced region on this planet. Considering these things, it is questionable to limit his life just to things what people living in the 21th century find disgusting. Charlemagne is also today celebrated in Europe as important historical figure though he killed a lot of Saxons and he was certainly not a saint. Still you have the Charlemagne Prize and places and cities are named after this guy. Mohammed was not a saint, but he was a guy of his time and he is an important historical figure. If you really want to be that picky, you might as well bash every single political leader in the West from the 19th century due to the fact that all of them were racists, sexists and certainly not pacifists. You cannot wear the lenses of 21th century morality and solely label Mohammed as a piece of shit. One dimensional bashing of his persona is just counterproductive and retarded. By pointing out the obvious that a guy who lived in 7th century Arabia was certainly not a fluffy peaceful human rights activist seen from today’s Western perspective and by exaggerating his evil deeds, you sure as hell cannot expect that any Muslim will be convinced by your bullshit. All what you are doing is to piss people off and you make it impossible to have any productive discussion afterwards. It is also stupid that many people started to complain that Western governments complained about that shitty movie. Newsflash: there is something called diplomacy and a secular government certainly has to condemn religious bigotry. Freedom of speech is not in danger, when the Obama administration just says that they do not like this movie. In fact they have to say that in order to calm down the freaking situation. Radical anti-theist atheists like Sam Harris or evangelical morons would love to hear that Obama says in public that Mohammed was a cunt and Muslims in general have no right at all to be pissed about this movie. The reality is that even if he wanted to say that, he simply cannot do it.
	Best forum quotes: 1080Poop Intellectually this thread is like discovering a vagina for the first time. You're fascinated by it but scared of it at the same time. The scent is alluring and sparks something inside of you that gets a reaction. You poke and prod at it in inquisitiveness. "Is it safe to put my dick in here?" You ask yourself.


Blargazaur	17 Sep 2012, 05:46 AM Post #2
Cephalopodan of Zion Posts: 638 Group: Common Jews Member #681 Joined: 31-Jul 2011	Your Title One dimensional bashing Mohammed does not equal constructive criticism of Islam I don't like this, because it seems to imply you should give Islam constructive criticism instead of dismissing it as the homicidal pile of shit it is. I agree with the rest of the OP.



Triplock	17 Sep 2012, 06:05 AM Post #3
Posts: 0 Group: Members Member #1,309 Joined: 19-Sep 2011	Well, dooh; all morality is subjective. Even Hitler, was only remarkable in the fact that he was about three decades late, and tried to colonize white people.



Just4Trophyz	17 Sep 2012, 07:09 AM Post #4
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Yar	17 Sep 2012, 07:28 AM Post #5
Posts: 0 Group: Members Member #2,072 Joined: 15-Nov 2011	Even if this movie was constructive, it would've still caused as much butthurt as it did - even more maybe.



Just4Trophyz	17 Sep 2012, 08:17 AM Post #6
Posts: -666 Group: Members Member #1,394 Joined: 20-Sep 2011	Yar 17 Sep 2012, 07:28 AM Even if this movie was constructive, it would've still caused as much butthurt as it did - even more maybe. I would have loved for the movie to be directed by a A-List Islamophobe director and have A-List celebrities be in it. The real question is, who would be worthy enough to play the role of Mohammed? And where would we find this A-list Islamophobe director?



Triplock	17 Sep 2012, 08:56 AM Post #7
Posts: 0 Group: Members Member #1,309 Joined: 19-Sep 2011	Someone should indeed make a Muslim version of the "Passion of the Christ" and then the porn remake... Anyway, pissing off muslims, does have constructive value in itself. It will hopefully, eventually desensitize them to blasphemy. The alternative is living in fear of some random douchebag in the West mortally pissing off a quarter of the world's population. Edited by Triplock, 17 Sep 2012, 09:15 AM.



Just4Trophyz	17 Sep 2012, 09:33 AM Post #8
Posts: -666 Group: Members Member #1,394 Joined: 20-Sep 2011	Triplock 17 Sep 2012, 08:56 AM Someone should indeed make a Muslim version of the "Passion of the Christ" and then the porn remake... Anyway, pissing off muslims, does have constructive value in itself. It will hopefully, eventually desensitize them to blasphemy. The alternative is living in fear of some random douchebag in the West mortally pissing off a quarter of the world's population. I believe Islam is like a huge ticking time bomb and there are many wires. There's only one wire that will cancel the detonation and deactivate the bomb, but it's entangled into many other wires. And there's that ONE wire that will automatically detonate the bomb and kill all living things along with earth itself. But then there are dozens and dozens of wires that will subtract the time of the bomb by seconds, minutes, hours, etc., but not detonate the bomb. And we have tons and tons of people who are hired to try to deactivate the bomb, but then are later fired for cutting the wrong wire. This intertwines into what that filmmaker did when he made that movie. He cut the wrong wire and shortened earth's chances of life.



Nemesis	17 Sep 2012, 09:43 AM Post #9
Internet Zombie Posts: 7,951 Group: God Member #653 Joined: 28-Jul 2011	Keeling, you are confusing Muslims with Terminators.



PoodieCore	17 Sep 2012, 09:44 AM Post #10
German douche Posts: 3,321 Group: Old Grumpy Nazi Member #705 Joined: 3-Aug 2011	Triplock 17 Sep 2012, 08:56 AM Anyway, pissing off muslims, does have constructive value in itself. It will hopefully, eventually desensitize them to blasphemy. The alternative is living in fear of some random douchebag in the West mortally pissing off a quarter of the world's population. We are talking here about uneducated morons who are easily talked into violence by some radical clergy cuntbags. No you can't desentisize them to blaspemy, because they are fucking stupid. The only real solution is to improve the standard of living in many shitholes and to stop supporting some questionable rich asshole regimes by buying oil from them and arming them. Edited by PoodieCore, 17 Sep 2012, 09:46 AM.
	Best forum quotes: 1080Poop Intellectually this thread is like discovering a vagina for the first time. You're fascinated by it but scared of it at the same time. The scent is alluring and sparks something inside of you that gets a reaction. You poke and prod at it in inquisitiveness. "Is it safe to put my dick in here?" You ask yourself.


Triplock	17 Sep 2012, 10:09 AM Post #11
Posts: 0 Group: Members Member #1,309 Joined: 19-Sep 2011	There's only so many days of rioting you can do before you get tired... A lot of christians aren't exactly the brightest folks either, but they do understand the inquisition is over. Rioting over what one, unelected idiot, who represents no one but himself, did thousands of miles away, is really so absurd it can't be blamed on collateral-damage of some deposed dictator.



PoodieCore	17 Sep 2012, 10:21 AM Post #12
German douche Posts: 3,321 Group: Old Grumpy Nazi Member #705 Joined: 3-Aug 2011	Actually the stupidity on all sides benefits certain groups and they have an interest in keeping the status quo. The radical clergy can feel important, salafists get more popular, shitty regimes can distract the stupid populace with this shit from the actual problems and right wing bigots in the West also get more popular. Encouraging people to produce more offensive shit is therefore a bad idea as long as most people in the Islamic world are fucking morons who are easy to manipulate.
	Best forum quotes: 1080Poop Intellectually this thread is like discovering a vagina for the first time. You're fascinated by it but scared of it at the same time. The scent is alluring and sparks something inside of you that gets a reaction. You poke and prod at it in inquisitiveness. "Is it safe to put my dick in here?" You ask yourself.


Triplock	17 Sep 2012, 11:02 AM Post #13
Posts: 0 Group: Members Member #1,309 Joined: 19-Sep 2011	If the solution lies in humankind becoming smarter, we're jolly well fucked.



Yar	17 Sep 2012, 11:17 AM Post #14
Posts: 0 Group: Members Member #2,072 Joined: 15-Nov 2011	Just4Trophyz 17 Sep 2012, 08:17 AM The real question is, who would be worthy enough to play the role of Mohammed? And where would we find this A-list Islamophobe director? Umm, liek, HELLOOO Nemesis 17 Sep 2012, 09:43 AM Keeling, you are confusing Muslims with Terminators. Wow, you're like some sort of joking time machine, aren't you? Make one about Spice Girls! Edited by Yar, 17 Sep 2012, 11:25 AM.



JeffroTheMan	17 Sep 2012, 01:43 PM Post #15
Posts: 910 Group: Members Member #355 Joined: 20-Jul 2011	Quote: Wow, you're like some sort of joking time machine, aren't you? Make one about Spice Girls! You noticed that was a joke? Good. Learn something from this about how other people perceive words on a screen, and maybe you'll learn how to actually try to be convincing when you say 'it was just a joke guise!' @OP: ARABIA! FUCK YEAH! No contention here. Edited by JeffroTheMan, 17 Sep 2012, 01:44 PM.
	"Should've been a soldier, I could've fought and died/ but there's no revolution, so I bought a bride." -Bought a Bride, Brand New


Yar	17 Sep 2012, 01:54 PM Post #16
Posts: 0 Group: Members Member #2,072 Joined: 15-Nov 2011	Yeah, don't wanna be too subtle around geniuses like you, Jeffro. (do you need a hint that it was sarcasm, or you're good?)



JeffroTheMan	17 Sep 2012, 02:06 PM Post #17
Posts: 910 Group: Members Member #355 Joined: 20-Jul 2011	Your joke fails, because I actually am a genius.
	"Should've been a soldier, I could've fought and died/ but there's no revolution, so I bought a bride." -Bought a Bride, Brand New


Nemesis	17 Sep 2012, 02:12 PM Post #18
Internet Zombie Posts: 7,951 Group: God Member #653 Joined: 28-Jul 2011	JeffroTheMan 17 Sep 2012, 02:06 PM I actually am a genius. I am also a genius and I agree that you are a genius, genius.



Yar	17 Sep 2012, 02:14 PM Post #19
Posts: 0 Group: Members Member #2,072 Joined: 15-Nov 2011	And this, kids, is what we call 69ing.



Nemesis	17 Sep 2012, 03:05 PM Post #20
Internet Zombie Posts: 7,951 Group: God Member #653 Joined: 28-Jul 2011	PoodieCore 17 Sep 2012, 04:52 AM Sam Harris Who? This guy? http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/in-defense-of-profiling Quote: We should profile Muslims, or anyone who looks like he or she could conceivably be Muslim, and we should be honest about it. He is totally not an islameophobe. I agree with the OP. Also, in regards to debating Islam, I like the approach people like capnOawesome and TheAmazingAtheist had on YouTube years ago, including the Qur'an burnings and the similar stuff in the context of them actually pwning the religion with good arguments.



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